The Cross-Cultural Name Game

With less than three weeks before the baby’s due date, we still haven’t settled on a name. And that’s with names from two languages to choose from.

The deal Darling Man and I struck when I was pregnant with Miss M was that I would choose an English name and he’d choose a Vietnamese name. We’d both have the power of veto over the other’s choice. And the English name would be used first, the Vietnamese name as a middle name, with the baby able to use either or both when she grows up.

We ended up with a name we both liked, a name that suits our feisty now-four-year-old — not too common and not too out-there. We’ll just ignore the fact that when Miss M was just a few weeks old we discovered it was also the name of my cousin’s dog.

Now we’re playing the name game again, and second time round it seems much more difficult than the first. Perhaps, like boy and girl baby clothes, boys names just aren’t as groovy as girls names.

This time round I added a new rule to the name game — no bible names. This wasn’t a factor when we were choosing a girls name, possibly because there are far fewer girls than boys who rate a mention in the bible. But I thought it was a bit silly, hypocritical even, to use a bible name in a mixed agnostic-Buddhist family.

So, immediately, names like Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Simon, Peter, Andrew and Thomas and all their variations are off the table.

Like most other parents, names of idiots I went to school with, worked with, associated with or read about in the news are also not in the running. I’d love to list them here but, you know, it could get me into trouble.

Names from popular culture can’t be used because we don’t want to seem low-brow, so no Austin (Powers), Jack (Bauer), Bogart, Brando, Clarke (Kent), Denzel, Maverick, Frodo or Neo.

Then there’s the English names that come from occupations, many of them violent or tradesman-y. Do I want to condemn my child to a career as a Hunter, Archer, Bishop, Carver, Chandler, Baker, Carver, Fletcher, Mason, Cooper or Smith?

Oh, and we can’t have a popular baby name. Not when we’re so radical and anti-establishment. (Please read that in the tongue-in-cheek way it was written.)

Then we get to the Vietnamese names which are on my no-way-Jose list. These are names that don’t work well in English, like Phuc, Hung, Tung, Duc, Sinh, Thinh and Phat. The list also includes names that are just too hard for English-speakers to pronounce, like Tuan, Ngoc, Huynh, Tuyen and Xuan. Oh, and I’m not too keen on any name with a diacritic, like Cường, or either of the Vietnamese Ds, like Đô or Dũng (D without a cross is pronounced Y or Z, depending on which part of Vietnam you’re from).

Phat and Phuc are both on my no-way list of boy's names

Phat and Phuc are both on my no-way list of boy’s names

My list eliminates quite a hefty chunk of the small pool of Vietnamese names. And that’s before we get to the Vietnamese naming traditions, which dictate that you can’t name a baby after a dead relative or an older relative, friend or associate who could die during the baby’s lifetime. The belief is that if you use a dead person’s name regularly, their ghost will think you’re talking to them, so they’ll be tempted to stick around rather than to go to where ever it is they’re supposed to go to.

In our case, I don’t even know the names of Darling Man’s dead or elderly relatives. Darling Man only has a vague idea, so wants to keep checking with his parents. Ugh.

This Vietnamese tradition means my late grandfather’s gorgeous Scottish name, Lachlan, which I’ve often thought should be used for one of his great-grandkids, is also unacceptable. (Darling Man says it doesn’t sound good to his Vietnamese ear, anyway.)

We did settle on a great name a few months ago, until we realised the initials would be B.S. We. Just. Couldn’t.

Naming the baby after a historical figure was an idea that flared after I saw a photo of August Landmesser refusing to perform the Nazi salute. But August is a bit of a mouthful and Gus sounds like a name for a pet snail. (Sorry to each and every August or Gus out there.)

Things aren’t made any easier at this late stage of proceedings. In the past month, Darling man and I have only managed one Facebook chat about names, the result of being in different countries, on different time zones and busy with tours (him) and parenting (me).

Miss M is, of course, making helpful name suggestions like Zany-Cany-Bany-Ga and Pepa Pig. Sigh.

I am spending nights on baby name websites, looking up the meanings of names that I kind-of like. It seems like a very shallow way to choose a name … but as a parent it’s my prerogative to change the name story down the track. (It can’t be worse than my mum’s decision, made during a religious phase, to name me after her favourite missionary, Sister Barbara, who was working in the Congo or somewhere else in deepest darkest Africa.)

So, with less than three weeks until the due date, we don’t really have a name. We have a short list and we’ll see what seems to suit him best when he finally emerges.

Of course, the scans could be wrong and he could be a she. And that would mean I could use one of the names on our old short-list.

Any name suggestions you may have will go onto our to-be-considered list. Don’t delay, time is running out!

 
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12 years ago

By: Barbara

A career girl who dropped out, traveled, found love, and never got around to going home again. Now wrangling a cross-cultural relationship and two third culture kids.

21 Comments

  1. Susan says:

    Barbara, I am right there with you. Our little boy is due in less than 6 weeks, but we have NO name picked out. To add to your list of “won’t do”, which matches ours pretty closely except the Vietnamese twist, we don’t use an initial currently in use in the first name of our other 5 kiddos. I’ve been trying different combinations from this website: http://www.babycarecentres.co.uk/baby-name-generator.html It’s all been in hopes of finding SOMETHING that isn’t in the top 100 baby names, isn’t too weird, and has a meaning other than things like “ashy heap” or “a bitter root found in Sri Lanka”. He might just have “Baby Boy” as his name for a little while. OR I can pull the ultimate trump card…say I want him named _____ about 5 minutes after he’s born. 😉
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    • Barbara says:

      Oh Susan, you’ve already had to do this five times! It’s almost as torturous as being pregnant, isn’t it?

      I gave your baby name generator a spin. It suggested Remington, meaning town of the raven. Umm, think I’m going to pass on that one too. It’s a brand of electric shavers!

      Good luck with your little boy and his name too.

  2. We don’t have any names picked out yet either! In fact, we never named Reuben until three weeks after he was born. It’s such a hard thing to do and I really believe you can’t name a child until you’ve seen it and known it for at least a few days. I’m sure something will come to you when you see him!
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    • Barbara says:

      Three weeks to choose a name!!! We won’t have that luxury, unfortunately. We’ve got a very tight deadline to get a birth certificate, passport and visa for Vietnam so we can take the bundle home to show him off to the Vietnamese side of the family.

      Good luck with you pending arrival, and the name choices. What about Bloggerson?

  3. Michele says:

    With out surname of Legge (Leg) we had some interesting names suggestes Juan, Beau, Peg or my husbands favourite May Ophelia. We settled for an irish name for daughter number one them were blessed two more daughters so after am unusual name you cant have mary or Jane It was a challenge bit the girls grew into the names they have as they all do.
    Hope all goes well for you in the next few weeks
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    • Barbara says:

      Oh my, I can’t believe you passed over May Ophelia. It’s brilliant!
      My grandfather’s original family name was Peg. He changed it when he ran away from home at 14. No one knew about the original name til after he died … when my aunt found out her name could have been Meg Peg.

  4. Jen says:

    This made me laugh as we are in the same boat. Lachlan is actually on my list but not husbands. It very common in Australia, right? I also have a long list of girls names and you are right, boys seem harder to name. Anyway good luck and all the best in these last weeks.
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    • Barbara says:

      Jen! I read your news yesterday but didn’t leave a comment. I’m so thrilled for you guys.
      Lachlan IS a popular name in Australia, regularly on the top 100 list. But it’s a family name for me, so I’d push for it … if the family name thing wasn’t out of order in Vietnam.

  5. Malinda says:

    Everyone has this dilemma but yours seems to be double trouble. Good luck.

  6. double trouble is right!! my cousin’s wife has this amazing book and site: http://www.babynamewizard.com/

    i LOVE lachlan!!
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  7. I agree—so hard! Boy’s names are the worst!
    How about something easy that isn’t as hard to say for Vietnamese. Don’t know what that would be…but 1 or 2 syllables are always easier to learn! Haha! How about Liam? Lan? Tough, tough…good luck!! 🙂
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    • Barbara says:

      Hmmm. There’s already a Liam in the family and Lan is a girl’s name in Vietnamese. Thank goodness we’re stopping at two. I don’t think I could do this again (being pregnant AND choosing a name!)

  8. Celine says:

    I am French/Chinese/Vietnamese mix and my hubby is French/Canadian/English.

    We are stopping at 3 kids for our family but if we were to have a 4th child who turns out to be a boy, he would have been named: Grant Hiep or Gavin Hiep

    Hiep means “Hero” in Vietnamese I think.
    My Chinese/Vietnamese grandfather’s name was Hung so we wanted to honor him by using a name with similar meaning without being the exact same name.

    Some other Vietnamese boy names I also like are: Kiet, Viet, Loc, Nam, Chi, Vuong, Vu, Liem, and Nghia.

    Other English boy names I like are: Kenneth, Leland, Roland, Theo, Roman, Xavier, Alec, Lex, Oliver, Dexter, Leo, Logan, and Thane.

    Hope that helps!
    Please let us know what you decide. Naming babies are so much fun. 🙂

    • Barbara says:

      Thanks Celine. All suggestions welcome!

      I’m not sure about Hiep though. Hiệp means chivalrous but hiếp means rape so …. not sure about that one.

      • Celine says:

        It’s true that the accent marks make the word. Like “ca” could be sing, fish, or tomato depending on the accent mark. LOL.

        I’m not giving up! 😉

        How bout Hugh because it sounds like Hieu?

        Or Tom and Tam?

        Vincent and Vinh?

        I’ve always had a soft spot for Layne. Sounds kind of like Lam?

  9. Celine says:

    I forgot one I’ve always liked; Milo. Named after the main character of my favorite book; The Phantom Tollbooth.

  10. Sarah says:

    I love the name Milo too! My eldest is named Dante, which I love as it is not too popular but isn’t a “made-up” sounding name either. My youngest would have been Julian had she been a girl. Julian has been my most favourite boy’s name for as long as I remember, but my husband would not agree to it with our first! He only agreed to it with our third because I let him choose the girl’s name (and she ended up being a girl so he got his way!). Choosing names is SO hard when there aren’t cultural differences to contend with!

    • Barbara says:

      It’s hard when the husband doesn’t appreciate the fabulousness of a name, isn’t it? There are many English names I’ve suggested that Darling Man has never heard of and he often says “it just doesn’t sound good”. We’ll get there, I guess.

  11. Alyssa says:

    My suggestion would be that you get to pick out the Vietnamese name and your husband gets to pick out the English name without either one of you having any vetoing power. That way you each get one that will sound pleasant to your ears.

  12. Ana says:

    How about Alex? or Euan? Martin? Chris? Ian?
    I love Mark or Noa. To me, they’re nice sounding names, I don’t mind the biblical connection. Mark in particular is so commonly found that I don’t think of it as biblical at all.

    Good luck! I’d love to hear what you choose in the end.
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